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	<description>Education and Technology by Steve Dembo</description>
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		<title>By: Shortcomp</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-132112</link>
		<dc:creator>Shortcomp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://browsershots.org/

will take screen captures of your browser on different browsers and systems, so you don&#039;t have to install browsers etc. 

See my shots on http://www.shortcomp.edublogs.org

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Shortcomp&#180;s most recent blog post.. &lt;a href=&quot;http://shortcomp.edublogs.org/2008/11/14/links-for-2008-11-14/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;links for 2008-11-14&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://browsershots.org/" rel="nofollow">http://browsershots.org/</a></p>
<p>will take screen captures of your browser on different browsers and systems, so you don&#8217;t have to install browsers etc. </p>
<p>See my shots on <a href="http://www.shortcomp.edublogs.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.shortcomp.edublogs.org</a></p>
<p><abbr><em>Shortcomp&#180;s most recent blog post.. <a href="http://shortcomp.edublogs.org/2008/11/14/links-for-2008-11-14/" rel="nofollow">links for 2008-11-14</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Day Ten - Thirty Days To A Better Blog (Part Two) &#171; Virtual High School Meanderings</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-131462</link>
		<dc:creator>Day Ten - Thirty Days To A Better Blog (Part Two) &#171; Virtual High School Meanderings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a reminder, day ten in the 30 Days to Being a Better Blogger series asked us to look at Day 10: Do you see what they see? - essentially look at our blog using different computers, different Internet browsers, different [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sue Waters</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-131339</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve Why not have a poll to see which wins -- partial or full feed.  

Guaranteed most people who read blogs in readers will just quietly unsubscribe than deal with partial feeds.  There is absolutely no way that the short snippet gives you any indication of what the post is about.  

I do admit to being biased and am totally with @Cathy Nelson on my hatred of partial feeds. 

Still seems crazy to me that probably 97 % percent of your readers are reading via RSS and your willing to upset them by changing to partial feeds when full feeds WON&#039;T annoy any one but partial feeds will make some unsubscribe. Doesn&#039;t sound good logic to me.

Especially given the fact the main reasons why bloggers like people to visit their blogs is for the ads and yet most edubloggers don&#039;t have ads. If I want to delve deeper into someones blog I can do that just as well in Google Reader.

@Cathy Nelson Thanks no problem however Aschmitz and Elaine both suggested some extras that I must also try.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sue Waters&#180;s most recent blog post.. &lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/MobileTechnologyInTafe/~3/433457901/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Interested In FREE Online PD This Friday?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve Why not have a poll to see which wins &#8212; partial or full feed.  </p>
<p>Guaranteed most people who read blogs in readers will just quietly unsubscribe than deal with partial feeds.  There is absolutely no way that the short snippet gives you any indication of what the post is about.  </p>
<p>I do admit to being biased and am totally with @Cathy Nelson on my hatred of partial feeds. </p>
<p>Still seems crazy to me that probably 97 % percent of your readers are reading via RSS and your willing to upset them by changing to partial feeds when full feeds WON&#8217;T annoy any one but partial feeds will make some unsubscribe. Doesn&#8217;t sound good logic to me.</p>
<p>Especially given the fact the main reasons why bloggers like people to visit their blogs is for the ads and yet most edubloggers don&#8217;t have ads. If I want to delve deeper into someones blog I can do that just as well in Google Reader.</p>
<p>@Cathy Nelson Thanks no problem however Aschmitz and Elaine both suggested some extras that I must also try.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Sue Waters&#180;s most recent blog post.. <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/MobileTechnologyInTafe/~3/433457901/" rel="nofollow">Interested In FREE Online PD This Friday?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Dorman</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-131331</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer Dorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip on BrowserShots.  That was really helpful is investigating how my blog is displayed.  My main issue is with widgets.  I forget that they don&#039;t always display properly when plugins are absent or not updated nor do they display correctly (or, at all) in many blog readers or e-mail.  I have to remember to include the web link for such content in my posts so that ALL of my readers can view the media.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jennifer Dorman&#180;s most recent blog post.. &lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Cliotech/~3/449963478/animoto-just-keeps-getting-better.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Animoto Just Keeps Getting Better&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip on BrowserShots.  That was really helpful is investigating how my blog is displayed.  My main issue is with widgets.  I forget that they don&#8217;t always display properly when plugins are absent or not updated nor do they display correctly (or, at all) in many blog readers or e-mail.  I have to remember to include the web link for such content in my posts so that ALL of my readers can view the media.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Jennifer Dorman&#180;s most recent blog post.. <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Cliotech/~3/449963478/animoto-just-keeps-getting-better.html" rel="nofollow">Animoto Just Keeps Getting Better</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Pam Shoemaker</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-131320</link>
		<dc:creator>Pam Shoemaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to know about Browsershots! I wrote a blog entry about my experiences with the first week of this challenge. Again, thanks... having fun.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Pam Shoemaker&#180;s most recent blog post.. &lt;a href=&quot;http://shoemap.edublogs.org/2008/11/10/week-1-30-days-to-being-a-better-blogger/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Week 1: 30 Days to Being a Better Blogger&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to know about Browsershots! I wrote a blog entry about my experiences with the first week of this challenge. Again, thanks&#8230; having fun.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Pam Shoemaker&#180;s most recent blog post.. <a href="http://shoemap.edublogs.org/2008/11/10/week-1-30-days-to-being-a-better-blogger/" rel="nofollow">Week 1: 30 Days to Being a Better Blogger</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Sean Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-131306</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I have to tell you, I am now more interested in Linux if for no other reason than to have a browser called &quot;iceweasel.&quot;

Good ideas here.  I had previously read the Sue Waters recommendation to subscribe to your own blog in your reader (GR here).  I think I did so originally when I set up the reader, just to test it out.  However, seeing it from that perspective was valuable as well.

Thanks for the Browsershots tip.

Sean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I have to tell you, I am now more interested in Linux if for no other reason than to have a browser called &#8220;iceweasel.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good ideas here.  I had previously read the Sue Waters recommendation to subscribe to your own blog in your reader (GR here).  I think I did so originally when I set up the reader, just to test it out.  However, seeing it from that perspective was valuable as well.</p>
<p>Thanks for the Browsershots tip.</p>
<p>Sean</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You killed me on this one -- Steve.

I am always on a quest for &quot;THE PERFECT THEME&quot; and now you had me really look at it.  

Smiles -- 
Here is my reflection (emmm....catchup) on the blogger&#039;s challenge:
http://jenuinetech.com/blog/?p=523

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jen&#180;s most recent blog post.. &lt;a href=&quot;http://jenuinetech.com/blog/?p=521&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;There is NO WAY…..&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You killed me on this one &#8212; Steve.</p>
<p>I am always on a quest for &#8220;THE PERFECT THEME&#8221; and now you had me really look at it.  </p>
<p>Smiles &#8212;<br />
Here is my reflection (emmm&#8230;.catchup) on the blogger&#8217;s challenge:<br />
<a href="http://jenuinetech.com/blog/?p=523" rel="nofollow">http://jenuinetech.com/blog/?p=523</a></p>
<p><abbr><em>Jen&#180;s most recent blog post.. <a href="http://jenuinetech.com/blog/?p=521" rel="nofollow">There is NO WAY…..</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-131245</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Browsershots is an awesome site! My blog came through with flying colors, but my website seems to have, shall we say, issues. Hmmm. I&#039;m going to have to spend some time on that one.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Natalie&#180;s most recent blog post.. &lt;a href=&quot;http://eztechintegration.blogspot.com/2008/11/day-10-of-be-better-blogger-challenge.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Day 10 of the &quot;Be A Better Blogger Challenge&quot;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Browsershots is an awesome site! My blog came through with flying colors, but my website seems to have, shall we say, issues. Hmmm. I&#8217;m going to have to spend some time on that one.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Natalie&#180;s most recent blog post.. <a href="http://eztechintegration.blogspot.com/2008/11/day-10-of-be-better-blogger-challenge.html" rel="nofollow">Day 10 of the &quot;Be A Better Blogger Challenge&quot;</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Balck</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-131244</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Balck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, love Browsershots, made checking my blog easy!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Patrick Balck&#180;s most recent blog post.. &lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TeachingAllStudents/~3/447518193/30d2bbb-day-8-comment-unto-others.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;30D2BBB - Day 8 - Comment Unto Others&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, love Browsershots, made checking my blog easy!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Patrick Balck&#180;s most recent blog post.. <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/TeachingAllStudents/~3/447518193/30d2bbb-day-8-comment-unto-others.html" rel="nofollow">30D2BBB &#8211; Day 8 &#8211; Comment Unto Others</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Day Ten - Thirty Days To A Better Blog &#171; Virtual High School Meanderings</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-131242</link>
		<dc:creator>Day Ten - Thirty Days To A Better Blog &#171; Virtual High School Meanderings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] school, virtual school  Day ten in the 30 Days to Being a Better Blogger series asks us to look at Day 10: Do you see what they see?.  Essentially, we are being asked to look at our blog using different computers, different [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cathy Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-131238</link>
		<dc:creator>Cathy Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with Sue on the full feed in the reader.  I REALLY detest partial feeds and inwardly call them &quot;wannabe&quot; blogs (i.e. School Library Journal).  I did NOT however know that the little dots on my cluster map came from direct hits. But that would explain the difference in my wordpress and other stats vs. ClustrMap stats...or would it?  As always THANKS @Sue Waters for the link to see how we look in other browsers.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Cathy Nelson&#180;s most recent blog post.. &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.cathyjonelson.com/?p=534&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reducing Copyright Confusion&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with Sue on the full feed in the reader.  I REALLY detest partial feeds and inwardly call them &#8220;wannabe&#8221; blogs (i.e. School Library Journal).  I did NOT however know that the little dots on my cluster map came from direct hits. But that would explain the difference in my wordpress and other stats vs. ClustrMap stats&#8230;or would it?  As always THANKS @Sue Waters for the link to see how we look in other browsers.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Cathy Nelson&#180;s most recent blog post.. <a href="http://blog.cathyjonelson.com/?p=534" rel="nofollow">Reducing Copyright Confusion</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Challenge update &#8212; Beth's Thoughts on Technology in the Classroom</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-131235</link>
		<dc:creator>Challenge update &#8212; Beth's Thoughts on Technology in the Classroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] today is day 10 of the 30 days to being a better blogger challenge. I have managed to keep [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-131232</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LoL, how I missed the Browsershots bandwagon is beyond me, but I have never seen that one before!  Great tip.

@Sue While I do agree with you, I just don&#039;t see having teasers as quite so much of a sin.  If somebody lists the first 150-200 words of their blog post, you can most likely tell whether you want to read more or not.  Based on the way you sound like you nurture your blogging habit, it may be inconvenient.  But I know many people that would prefer to get the traffic to their actual site, and that&#039;s just one other way to encourage it.  Give them a taste, and if they want more they have to visit the page.  From my own conversations with other bloggers, they don&#039;t get large numbers of people protesting by unsubscribing and such.  

While I do agree with you that it&#039;s my preference to have the full posts be available, it is most certainly an individual choice there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LoL, how I missed the Browsershots bandwagon is beyond me, but I have never seen that one before!  Great tip.</p>
<p>@Sue While I do agree with you, I just don&#8217;t see having teasers as quite so much of a sin.  If somebody lists the first 150-200 words of their blog post, you can most likely tell whether you want to read more or not.  Based on the way you sound like you nurture your blogging habit, it may be inconvenient.  But I know many people that would prefer to get the traffic to their actual site, and that&#8217;s just one other way to encourage it.  Give them a taste, and if they want more they have to visit the page.  From my own conversations with other bloggers, they don&#8217;t get large numbers of people protesting by unsubscribing and such.  </p>
<p>While I do agree with you that it&#8217;s my preference to have the full posts be available, it is most certainly an individual choice there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Waters</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-131230</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Told you I was tired. Apologies to both Aschmitz and Elaine I normally read comments -- tired, doing too many things.  

The reason why many bloggers set to partial feeds isn&#039;t to force people to visit their site but to make it harder for people who steal blog content using RSS. 

The trouble is your readers who read via RSS are considerably more than the number of people who visit your site. Most people like me will just unsubscribe if a blog feed is set to partial because it just isn&#039;t practical to visit blog sites when you subscribe to the number of blogs I do. Having it set to partial feeds defeats the purpose because you want people to subscribe to your blog not unsubscribe. 

If you want people to visit your site it&#039;s better to give them a reason to visit.  Write posts than make them want to comment or check out changes to your blog.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sue Waters&#180;s most recent blog post.. &lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/MobileTechnologyInTafe/~3/433457901/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Interested In FREE Online PD This Friday?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Told you I was tired. Apologies to both Aschmitz and Elaine I normally read comments &#8212; tired, doing too many things.  </p>
<p>The reason why many bloggers set to partial feeds isn&#8217;t to force people to visit their site but to make it harder for people who steal blog content using RSS. </p>
<p>The trouble is your readers who read via RSS are considerably more than the number of people who visit your site. Most people like me will just unsubscribe if a blog feed is set to partial because it just isn&#8217;t practical to visit blog sites when you subscribe to the number of blogs I do. Having it set to partial feeds defeats the purpose because you want people to subscribe to your blog not unsubscribe. </p>
<p>If you want people to visit your site it&#8217;s better to give them a reason to visit.  Write posts than make them want to comment or check out changes to your blog.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Sue Waters&#180;s most recent blog post.. <a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/MobileTechnologyInTafe/~3/433457901/" rel="nofollow">Interested In FREE Online PD This Friday?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Sue Waters</title>
		<link>http://www.teach42.com/2008/11/10/day-10-do-you-see-what-they-see/comment-page-1/#comment-131227</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Waters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m tired and it&#039;s still early so will come back and read your post more thoroughly.  However just thought that your participants could make this task quicker using &lt;a href=&quot;http://browsershots.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Browsershots&lt;/a&gt;.

All you need to do is enter your URL and see screenshots in numerous browsers.  Nice way to test what your blog looks like without having to load into lots of web browsers.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Sue Waters&#180;s most recent blog post.. &lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/MobileTechnologyInTafe/~3/433457901/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Interested In FREE Online PD This Friday?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m tired and it&#8217;s still early so will come back and read your post more thoroughly.  However just thought that your participants could make this task quicker using <a href="http://browsershots.org/" rel="nofollow">Browsershots</a>.</p>
<p>All you need to do is enter your URL and see screenshots in numerous browsers.  Nice way to test what your blog looks like without having to load into lots of web browsers.</p>
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