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I agree with you. Granted, not every student will have one - when I was growing up, not everyone could have a programable calculator either, or earlier than that any calculator… to say nothing of computers.

A quick solution - sharing… allow students to work in groups and you’ll solve the access issue. Show that there are responsible uses, you’ll cut down on rebellious uses.

Another argument is that our kids are using these devices outside the school… usually without any guidance or boundaries. Unless their parents are doing an outstanding job of teaching responsibility with devices, kids aren’t hearing this. I feel the same way about every website we block, too. Teach them to use the tools they have responsibly and ethically… and then think what they could do!

I get extremely fired up about this topic as well, only I’m on the other side of the fence. I have no problem allowing students to carry phones in school just like teachers do, but I think that the same rules should apply. As a teacher, are you allowed to use your phone in the middle of a lecture? Do you stop class to answer your Grandma’s call? Neither should students. Yeah, I know some teachers do (my former teaching partner to name one), but that doesn’t make it right.
I see the list that you put up for uses, but I’m sorry, who’s gonna pay for it? Sharing, sure, but that’s unrealistic. What happens if there aren’t enough to share? What are other kids going to do? Who pays for it when Johnny drops Billy’s phone? Who pays for the minutes used during the day for web access or text messaging? If the school says you have to have it for a certain class, can you really make parents pay? Is your school district going to by phones for students? Who pays for the added on features? You want teachers to have your kids’ cell phone numbers? Do you want your students to have your cell phone number? Since when do you see cell phone use as an additional job skill?
There are so many pieces of this issue that I disagree with and I am continually amazed that people see this as an educational opportunity. I understand that laptops are more expensive, but they are more versatile and, I feel, a better use of a continually chunked up school day.
In closing, please make sure this isn’t taken as a slam on you. It’s the theory of cell phones in schools. I love your work and will continue to read (just signed up to follow you on Twitter), but like you mentioned, this issue gets me more fired up than most. Have a wonderful day:)

@Josh
Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. I’ll be the first to admit that I have very strong opinions, and I love to hear other opinions that are equally strong and contrary to mine. Let me try to address some of your comments.

> Do you stop class to answer your Grandma’s call? Neither should students.
This is a no brainer. You should model appropriate cell phone usage for the students. No, social calls should not be taken during class. I don’t think you’d get an argument from anyone on that one.

> I see the list that you put up for uses, but I’m sorry, who’s gonna pay for it?
Who’s paying for it right now? What % of your students have cell phones? Who pays the bills? Who buys the calculator your students use? Who buys their pencils and markers? Dont’ make the issue more complicated than it needs to be. If they HAVE a phone and they HAVE a contract, then I’m just saying that you should make use of it! Would you tell a student that has a graphing calculator “You can use it to add and subtract, but you can’t use it to graph because Johnny over there doesn’t have one.” Or tell them, “You can only use these 16 colors from your box of 64 crayons because not all students have the other colors.” Keep it simple. If they have it, leverage it.

> What happens if there aren’t enough to share?
Then they don’t use it.
> What are other kids going to do?
Learn the things that you’re teaching. And when they need to look up a word, use a dictionary or encyclopedia.
>Who pays for it when Johnny drops Billy’s phone?
That’s between Johnny and Billy’s parents. Who pays for it when Johnny drops Billy’s calculator?
> Who pays for the minutes used during the day for web access or text messaging?
Who pays for them now? No change.
> If the school says you have to have it for a certain class, can you really make parents pay?
Whoever said anything about requiring students to have it for a certain class? I’m not saying that you should make it required. I’m saying that we should stop banning it and leverage it whenever possible.

>Is your school district going to by phones for students?
No

> Who pays for the added on features?
What added on features? Text messaging and internet? I’d be blown away if students’ phones didn’t have them. But as I’ve said a few times now, who’s paying for them now? No change.

> You want teachers to have your kids’ cell phone numbers?
No strong feelings either way.

> Do you want your students to have your cell phone number?
If I’m going to model appropriate use in the classroom, yes.

> Since when do you see cell phone use as an additional job skill?
Since my cell phone became more powerful than the computers I was using in college. Since the mobile internet became so powerful. Since I use mine for work nearly every single day.

> In closing, please make sure this isn’t taken as a slam on you. It’s the theory of cell phones in schools.
I would never take a well written response to be personal! I appreciate your sharing your opinion here.

Just to recap though, I don’t think they should be required. I also don’t think they should be banned. If a student has an asset, let them use it. If it can help them work more efficiently, why prevent that? Equity will always be an issue, but that’s no reason to say that the people who have the tools can’t use them. If a few students didn’t have pencils, would you take them away from everyone else? Should I stop using my laptop because other Online Community Managers in other companies may not have one? Students need to be taught to leverage every advantage that they have access to.

You’ve mentioned many obstacles, but these are not roadblocks. I’d love to see you look at each of these issues and say to yourself, “Recognizing that this is a potential issue, how can we work around it?” The obstacles are much smaller than one might think.

Thanks again for the comment!

You have some good points. Not good enough to change my mind :), but good none the less. It’s a great discussion for districts to have. Thanks for your response.

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Steve,
Great post and great response, point by point, to Josh’s concerns.
I’ve blogged about the use of jott.com as a learning tool, which requires a cell phone. You may be interested in this:
http://tinyurl.com/54u3mx

I’m so sick of adults hating technology. Seriously, it’s the future people. Embrace it, love it. It’s not a big deal. It’s a cell phone. Get over it, and understand that even if they are banned in school, kids will use them.

Having just graduated from high school, I figured I’d have something to comment on the situation. I don’t think the problem is the phones themselves, it’s the people using them. Obviously, this is a user thing. It’s stupid to think that just because somebody levys a consequence against having an item in school, that it would stop them. If somebody is going to bring something to school, and use it at their will, then it’s not something that can be stopped. There is a pointless amount of energy wasted on enforcing the most arbitrary rules. And it’s the same thing with iPods and the like. I have long enough hair that I could very well snake a headphone up my shirt and hide it beyond sight. If a school would allow them at say, lunch/recess, then I’m sure the problems in class would drop drastically. However, they’re so dead set on controlling EVERYTHING within their domain, that they end up beating a dead horse about it. Kids today thrive on technology, and are in constant need of contact with each other. In conclusion, it’s just bothersome that the school system decides to be such nazis (Pardon the expression.) about the technology that is helping our future progress. I know I wouldn’t be of much use without a cell, iPod, and laptop. Haha.

- Kain.

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Hi, this is an interesting post with some great links for mobile devices.

I would be tempted to focus on - what it is you’re trying to do where access away from a desktop, that may fit into someone’s hand - is useful i.e.
a)someone is familiar with so not necessarily a new learning curve in terms of technology to climb
b)that has voice & text capability, can help someone learn by giving them an additional choice about how and where to access their learning.

Distraction is more around students response to what they are doing, so along your lines of thought, I guess windows are a distraction too, because students can stare out of them

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I am one of those teachers sitting strategically on the fence. As a middle school teacher, I see more of the harm to cell phone use in school than I would if I was an elementary teacher.

Recently, we had a text message gun threat that went viral through student cell phones. When we did a lock down to do a search, kids were texting and calling parents telling them shots had been fired, and we had found several guns on campus today. Parents were checking kids out left and right.

If parents are going to purchase cell phones for their kids, they need to take the time to teach them how to use them responsibly. Hmmm, I think I’ve heard that before about Internet use.

Maybe proper use of cell phones within the classroom could help solve the issue. Like most things, when kids are allowed to do something it suddenly loses its appeal!

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Well I have this to say. It is not just a problem in High School….it is even worse in college.

Steve is obviously a child to think that kids don’t cheat on exams with cellphones. No they don’t need to use them. But they do.

Check spelling-we call it Websters dictionary maybe you heard of it.
research topic-what looking up the topic how distracting it is when a phone gets answered in class. Oh and yes it happens. Kids like Steve love to keep their ringers on hi and then answering it in the middle of a lecture in college classrooms. But lucky for us all Steve is not in college. He would be answering it in the library too. Which also happens.

Maps and Directions-In the classroom? What do you need directions in a classroom for Steve? Do you get lost on your way to that thing that you put stuff on. It’s called a desk Steve now that is useful in a classroom, ever try writing while standing up.

The teachers subject was cellphones in the classroom steve. not what great uses they have out of the classroom. Read Steve or are you too busy being distracted by your cell phone. “Paper clips are a distraction. Spiral notebooks are a distraction”. Is that really an argument. That stuff maybe distracting to an individual. A loud ring in the class during a test distracts everyone. Text messaging in the classroom distracts the people around you and the professor. And answering your phone in class or library is not only distracting but disrespectful.

Now that is the real world Steve….Grow up.

If cell phones are in the classroom they need to be on silent or set to vibrate. You should answer them outside of the college classroom, and texting in class should not be allowed.

I think we need to find newer ways to engage students and move a way from rote recall, the kind that prompts cheating, that disappears from ones memory as soon as the test is written. We need to engage students in solving real problems and doing so collaboratively. If this means that they chat, text, cell one another so be it. Let’s put away the chalk and slate and try and catch up to where the kids are because that is where the future is.