Comments on: The different between ‘cheating’ and cheating. http://www.teach42.com/2006/08/14/the-different-between-cheating-and-cheating/ Education and Technology by Steve Dembo Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:39:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: healigan http://www.teach42.com/2006/08/14/the-different-between-cheating-and-cheating/#comment-116781 healigan Thu, 19 Jun 2008 02:14:43 +0000 http://www.teach42.com/2006/08/14/the-different-between-cheating-and-cheating/#comment-116781 Steve: i like the advice to parents, but my kids avoid any communication with parents on this topic. I do have students and parents sign a contract...I use a variation on the method Robin uses: They have to do research so that they learn enough about the subject to think about it, but their outline and draft may not include data from the sources or their citations. They are to be added later, as support only. There are still lazy kids who end up flunking because they transcribe sources and cut and paste them into a kind of essay. The students who work give me better essays. I also require them to use a certain number of actual print sources--it is often faster than Googling for hours. That's a tough sell though. Steve: i like the advice to parents, but my kids avoid any communication with parents on this topic. I do have students and parents sign a contract…I use a variation on the method Robin uses: They have to do research so that they learn enough about the subject to think about it, but their outline and draft may not include data from the sources or their citations. They are to be added later, as support only. There are still lazy kids who end up flunking because they transcribe sources and cut and paste them into a kind of essay. The students who work give me better essays. I also require them to use a certain number of actual print sources–it is often faster than Googling for hours. That’s a tough sell though.

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]]> By: The Thinking Stick » My 25% PD http://www.teach42.com/2006/08/14/the-different-between-cheating-and-cheating/#comment-49239 The Thinking Stick » My 25% PD Sat, 19 Aug 2006 18:01:20 +0000 http://www.teach42.com/2006/08/14/the-different-between-cheating-and-cheating/#comment-49239 [...] Steve at Teach42 has a great entry on cheating that every teacher should read. [...] […] Steve at Teach42 has a great entry on cheating that every teacher should read. […]

]]> By: Jim W. http://www.teach42.com/2006/08/14/the-different-between-cheating-and-cheating/#comment-49086 Jim W. Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:11:24 +0000 http://www.teach42.com/2006/08/14/the-different-between-cheating-and-cheating/#comment-49086 Steve, If teachers are involve with students throughout the planning, writing and publishing process cheating most likely will not occur. When teachers give the assignment "write a 5 page report on....." you will get cheating. Some teachers will say I don't have time to read, comment, or edit drafts and outlines. My response is if it isn’t worth your time it most likely isn’t worth the student’s time. Students can't do research and unless they are taught research skills and writing skills. I know that is another teachers job! So blame the other teacher of the kid. Sorry for the flaming. This is a topic that can get me going. Jim Steve,

If teachers are involve with students throughout the planning, writing and publishing process cheating most likely will not occur. When teachers give the assignment “write a 5 page report on…..” you will get cheating.

Some teachers will say I don’t have time to read, comment, or edit drafts and outlines. My response is if it isn’t worth your time it most likely isn’t worth the student’s time. Students can’t do research and unless they are taught research skills and writing skills.

I know that is another teachers job! So blame the other teacher of the kid.

Sorry for the flaming. This is a topic that can get me going.

Jim

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